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tax. every state around hampshire had one or the other. in the 1960's, and every state added another one, either the sales tax or the income tax. within hesitation of their people that the other tax would come out and the revenue would be used because it will be more effective in collecting it. every one of those states, the revenues have gone down, the income tax has gone up, and the size of government has gone up. from my standpoint, a value- added tax is just a way to grossly expand the size of the government, and it does not fix our revenue problems. more importantly than that, just the point where i think this argument ends up, the american people would annihilate any party that passed a national sales tax rate. if the democratic party thinks they are in charge now, and they are, and the republican party has done some things to marginalize itself, but if you want to resurrect a republican party, give me a value-added tax. >> let's take the value-added tax off the table for this the se
tax. every state around hampshire had one or the other. in the 1960's, and every state added another one, either the sales tax or the income tax. within hesitation of their people that the other tax would come out and the revenue would be used because it will be more effective in collecting it. every one of those states, the revenues have gone down, the income tax has gone up, and the size of government has gone up. from my standpoint, a value- added tax is just a way to grossly expand the size...
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they are saying capital and income from capital should be taxed the same way we tax earned income. that is a fundamental in equity in our tax code. >> that's right. this country in its economy he has done well when we've had policies that have promoted middle class expansion. this is good for capital. franklin roosevelt for all of understanding, he said if you don't have a middle class that works, you won't have an economy for the rich. there's a narrow mindedness that i've got mine and i want more and i'm take it from you if that's what it takes. american economic policy works best when it's building a middle class. >> you go back to henry ford, who is no legal tarian at heart. he said if my workers can't afford to buy the cars they're building i won't be able to sell them to everybody and wanted to raise wages. you have been a proponent of going over the cliff basically saying we're not going to cave because of the threat. do you still hold that position and is there support in the democratic party for it? >> there is. we're not in favor of going over the cliff we're in favor of
they are saying capital and income from capital should be taxed the same way we tax earned income. that is a fundamental in equity in our tax code. >> that's right. this country in its economy he has done well when we've had policies that have promoted middle class expansion. this is good for capital. franklin roosevelt for all of understanding, he said if you don't have a middle class that works, you won't have an economy for the rich. there's a narrow mindedness that i've got mine and i...
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we live and die by property taxes and sales taxes and they are all coming in shorter than anticipated. basically because the property values in detroit. it is starting to pick up in michigan. we just need a little bit more time in order to get our financial house in order. in order to grow our economy. gerri: i have heard that before. we need more time to get our fiscal house in order. wouldn't it make more sense? i know that you are probably playing all kinds of different groups. all kinds of different political groups who want to have their voice heard. wouldn't it make more sense to come in and have the state on this thing -- the thing that we will fix this thing and get it done. >> unfortunately, they can't unilaterally change them. so the financial emergency manager coming into detroit, setting us back a year. we just need to have the political will make these decisions and get it done. we have the political will to get it done. i don't want to sound like a broken record, but it is as simple as that. an emergency manager can do anymore than what we are doing right now with the to
we live and die by property taxes and sales taxes and they are all coming in shorter than anticipated. basically because the property values in detroit. it is starting to pick up in michigan. we just need a little bit more time in order to get our financial house in order. in order to grow our economy. gerri: i have heard that before. we need more time to get our fiscal house in order. wouldn't it make more sense? i know that you are probably playing all kinds of different groups. all kinds of...
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first, when i was there, it was the president who had made the no tax pledge. president bush the first, as you'll recall, made a very famous no tax pledge which he eventually backed off of. in this case, it's the congress. the republicans in the congress specifically, who have made the tax pledge, and the president who is trying to get them to break it. secondly, the numbers are very much reflecting the passage of time. we were very concerned because we thought the budget was going to be -- the deficit was going to be about $150 billion. that shocked everyone into action. then, unlike now, there remains some degree of bipartisanship. there was comity, there was discussion, even as we battled over the budget, we worked together in a bipartisan way on many other issues. you didn't have the total polarization that you have today. >> i mean, when you were elected senate majority leader, i understand one of the first people that you called was the minority leader, senator dole. >> that's right. i called him right away, i went to see him almost immediately, and i sai
first, when i was there, it was the president who had made the no tax pledge. president bush the first, as you'll recall, made a very famous no tax pledge which he eventually backed off of. in this case, it's the congress. the republicans in the congress specifically, who have made the tax pledge, and the president who is trying to get them to break it. secondly, the numbers are very much reflecting the passage of time. we were very concerned because we thought the budget was going to be -- the...
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he insists he will veto any bill not including tax increases on wealthier americans. >>> the defense department started planning for the roughly $500 billion in personnel cuts. the pin is not talking to the defense contractors of public plans. >>> the council made it clear that it's not following the mayor's lead on several issues. it was evident last night during a 13-hour meeting. the council voted against several bills. matt has more. >> reporter: the mayor appears to be concerned about the budget when it comes to a number of bills passed by the council yesterday and one thing that could put a hole is the plan by the council to lower speed camera fines. it passed last night and even though the mayor said the cameras are about safety, not mean, they generate a lot -- not money, they generate a lot of revenue and they could be close to $100 million the next four years. the mayor claims in total, the council passed bills to reduce the city's funding by $350 million that is over the next four years. the chairman of the council said the changes were important and they will be worked in
he insists he will veto any bill not including tax increases on wealthier americans. >>> the defense department started planning for the roughly $500 billion in personnel cuts. the pin is not talking to the defense contractors of public plans. >>> the council made it clear that it's not following the mayor's lead on several issues. it was evident last night during a 13-hour meeting. the council voted against several bills. matt has more. >> reporter: the mayor appears to...
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they realize that our taxes are going to be up a little bit. they know there is going to reform to social security and medicare, they want to know so they know how to plan for their companies. i hope it's resolved before i get there if not so be it, i see this as an opportunity for america to lead the way. china is slowing down. india is slowing down. europe is in a recession. south america is slowing down. we have an opportunity to lead out of this mess. i hope we take the lead. >> jennifer: everyone wants to prevent going over over the cliff you still will have a lot of issues on how best to lead the country forward. allen west will be gone but there will be tea partyers remain. how do you work with people who think compromise is a bad word? >> look, i was just earlier with the republican part of my district today and met with a lot of republican commissioners. the message i told them is what i told everybody. whether you're a republican, democrat, i have an open door. i want to hear your thoughts, your concerns and i want to be your voice in
they realize that our taxes are going to be up a little bit. they know there is going to reform to social security and medicare, they want to know so they know how to plan for their companies. i hope it's resolved before i get there if not so be it, i see this as an opportunity for america to lead the way. china is slowing down. india is slowing down. europe is in a recession. south america is slowing down. we have an opportunity to lead out of this mess. i hope we take the lead. >>...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. at chevy's year-end event, we have 11 vehicles that offer an epa-estimated 30 mpg highway or better. yeah? hey. hey. where's your suit? oh, it's casual friday. oh. [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. now get a 2013 malibu ls for around $199 per month, plus competitive lessees can get $1,000 toward the down payment for an even better deal. >>> good morning, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. topping the agenda the new grinch that's threatening to steal christmas, the seemingly insurmountable impasse over the fiscal cliff. live the president's pr campaign taking him outside the white house but inside the beltway. you're taking a live look at the president glad handing the group of busi
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. at chevy's year-end event, we have 11 vehicles that offer an epa-estimated 30 mpg highway or...
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keep the rest of my taxes for me. schools, public safety, the roads, parks, libraries, public transportation, all went into decline. the rich people didn't care. they said everyone gets what they deserve. ordinary people wondered why rich people needed so much money. the 1% said don't worry. this is good for you, too, because it will trickle down from us to you. >> urinating on people. classy image. doesn't get much worse than that. joining me with reaction, tucker carlson and kiersten powers from the daily beast. it goes on seven minutes long, kiersten, and i thought of past pop begapropaganda. at the end of this, somebody watches this, they get indoctrinated. they really begin to believe that rich people are evil. did you get that feeling? it was that bad to me. >> it was pretty bad. i have to say even i found it offensive. >> even i, yeah. >> yeah. no. look, it goes a little too far. i think you can certainly make an argument that there are rich people that are indifferent to poor people, but i don't think that you
keep the rest of my taxes for me. schools, public safety, the roads, parks, libraries, public transportation, all went into decline. the rich people didn't care. they said everyone gets what they deserve. ordinary people wondered why rich people needed so much money. the 1% said don't worry. this is good for you, too, because it will trickle down from us to you. >> urinating on people. classy image. doesn't get much worse than that. joining me with reaction, tucker carlson and kiersten...
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they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect elizabeth warren, a champion of financial reform, will get a spot on the banking committee. >>> and senator john mccain hints he might favor filibuster reform. debbie stabenow is here on rule changes. stay with us. we're right back. >>> to all the small business owners who are tired of the system rigged against them, we're going to hold the big guys accountable. >> welcome back to "the ed show." that's elizabeth warren of massachusetts who has been a true champion of holding the big guys accountable. they might be in for a rude awakening. warren will likely become a member of the b
they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect...
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host: the estate tax or the capital gains tax? guest: the estate tax. asset, you payn capital gains. guest: right. host: we have this comment on twitter from james. guest: corporations would say the businesses are already being taxed. folk should not be taxed for investing in their business. host: double taxation. guest: that is the argument. when people die, they are being taxed again. that is the essence of the argument against the estate tax. host: can you start over? caller: a quick question about the comments of the 401(k). i used to work for a cpa firm. i understand they are income tax deferred instruments. when you take it out, the tax you pay is income tax. the assumption is the rate would be lower. let's say the rate is 25% when you retire. that is higher than the current cap gains tax rate. ordoes not apply to 401(k)'s any other income tax deferred instrument. when you take them out, you pay taxes on them. guest: that is correct. you pay income tax and presumably when you retire, you are at a lower tax rate and that is the advantage. it is a s
host: the estate tax or the capital gains tax? guest: the estate tax. asset, you payn capital gains. guest: right. host: we have this comment on twitter from james. guest: corporations would say the businesses are already being taxed. folk should not be taxed for investing in their business. host: double taxation. guest: that is the argument. when people die, they are being taxed again. that is the essence of the argument against the estate tax. host: can you start over? caller: a quick...
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it's always easy for somebody to say let's tax the other guy, not me. i think part of the situation is going to be deciding revenue enhancements, whether that's closing loopholes or raising rates or as we've done in utah, grow the economy which is another way to increase revenue, and there's a debate on what cuts are going to be made and are entitlements on the table. so i expect that's going to be part of the discussion. what we're wanting to say to the congress and the president today, though, as a state, we want you to get it done. compromise ought not to be a dirty word. there ought to be the fact that the good people can come together, find common ground and keep in mind what's in the best interests of the economy of america and the taxpayer, and find a solution. putting this off and procrastination and kicking it on down the road is not an option. we as governors are saying get it done, it's going to impact our states. we're prepared to help you. we'll take less money as states. give us more flexibility, we'll fit within some parameters and we can
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without raising tax rates. >> reporter: and the president today offered this warning to republicans. amid reports they may accept mr. obama's plan to extend tax cuts for most americans while allowing them to go up for the richest, and start the fight all over again during debt limit talks early next year. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it is a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: and brian, tonight, the white house is preparing in case the country does go over that fiscal cliff, budget officials have asked all federal agencies for information that they need in case of possible plans in case of those automatic spending cuts that could go in place in just 27 days. >> peter alexander at the white house for us tonight. thank you. >>> and up next, the loss today of a legend in american music. i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ i took my son fishi
without raising tax rates. >> reporter: and the president today offered this warning to republicans. amid reports they may accept mr. obama's plan to extend tax cuts for most americans while allowing them to go up for the richest, and start the fight all over again during debt limit talks early next year. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it is a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: and brian, tonight, the white house is...
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tax rates on the wealthy remain the key sticking point between both sides. after a white house meeting tuesday, a bi- partisan group of governors expressed hope that an agreement will be reached soon. experts forecast economic turmoil in january, if a deal is not reached. >> john boehner took a break from the negotiations to help light of the christmas tree. eagle scout, from colorado springs helped out and there is. the crowd in cheers and the u.s. air force played " a christmas tree " and other holiday classics. this is a spruce tree from call rental white river national forest. it has 10,000 lights, ornaments and will be let in each night until the day after christmas. >> we are going to take a look at the golden gate bridge. dry roadways. the bulk of the wet weather is to the north. it is going to pick up in intensity, overnight. it will impact certain areas to more with moderate/heavy downpours. it could try out at night and it looks like that we will have a drying trend with the workweek. taking a look at the stormtracker 4 some pretty widespread rainf
tax rates on the wealthy remain the key sticking point between both sides. after a white house meeting tuesday, a bi- partisan group of governors expressed hope that an agreement will be reached soon. experts forecast economic turmoil in january, if a deal is not reached. >> john boehner took a break from the negotiations to help light of the christmas tree. eagle scout, from colorado springs helped out and there is. the crowd in cheers and the u.s. air force played " a christmas...
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one of the tax breaks due to expire next month is the payroll tax. that's the tax listed on your pay stub as fica. the money you pay into social security and medicare. it was reduced by two percentage points during the recession. jim axelrod has more. >> reporter: the payroll tax cut has given this family an extra $70 a month to spend. john is a maintenance man in jersey city, new jersey. >> are you paying any attention to what's going on in washington right now? >> of course. >> reporter: their $50,000 a year income put them almost exactly in the middle of the american household. if it's not extended those $1,035 more. >> do you have room to cut back? >> no. >> reporter: if the tax cut expires paycheck contributions will go from 4.2% to 6.2%. that's $115 billion a year that would go to deficit reduction instead of being pumped into the economy. heidi sherholtz is an economist. >> it's less money for consumers to spend, that means that the demand for business services will drop, who provides goods and services, workers, so employment will fall. >> re
one of the tax breaks due to expire next month is the payroll tax. that's the tax listed on your pay stub as fica. the money you pay into social security and medicare. it was reduced by two percentage points during the recession. jim axelrod has more. >> reporter: the payroll tax cut has given this family an extra $70 a month to spend. john is a maintenance man in jersey city, new jersey. >> are you paying any attention to what's going on in washington right now? >> of course....
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they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect elizabeth warren, a champion of financial reform, will get a spot on the banking committee. >>> and senator john mccain hints he might favor filibuster reform. debbie stabenow is here on rule changes. stay with us. we're right back. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. th
they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect...
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low tax small government party. the other party leadership proposes, wait for it, $800 billion in tax increases. it's noted that the democrats have celebrated the proposal put out by president obama. meanwhile, you have a number of republicans slamming speaker boehner. how would you describe his position right now? >> well, he really didn't win for losing. he's trying to say to president obama if i wanted topaz your proposal i can't do it. he's really truly between a deal and promise and getting the fight over with and a conference that won't allow it. i think what senator demint is saying and house republicans are saying to john boehner is, let's go over the cliff. that we can live with the sequester and we absolutely will not raise tax rates no matter what. what that does is eliminate all of the tax cuts and then there's a new fight in january to push obviously by the democrats to restore tax cuts for 98% of americans. and then that will be muddied by the need for a debt ceiling increase and the fight goes in to f
low tax small government party. the other party leadership proposes, wait for it, $800 billion in tax increases. it's noted that the democrats have celebrated the proposal put out by president obama. meanwhile, you have a number of republicans slamming speaker boehner. how would you describe his position right now? >> well, he really didn't win for losing. he's trying to say to president obama if i wanted topaz your proposal i can't do it. he's really truly between a deal and promise and...
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they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep say iing no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect elizabeth warren, a champion of financial reform, will get a spot on the banking committee. >>> and senator john mccain hints he might favor filibuster reform. debbie stabenow is here on rule changes. stay with us. we're right back. eat good fats. avoid bad. don't go over 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it: great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more processed flakes look nothing like natural grains. you can'
they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep say iing no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect...
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you said he should propose lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 30%. what's your rationale behind that? >> well i have rationales both substantive and political. substantive, i think it is the right thing to do. i've spoken to a lot of economists about this over the years. even many liberal economists would agree that the corporate tax rate of 35% in this country is too high. it is higher than in most other -- i think every other advanced country. now it has to be done, obviously, the lowering would have to be done with closing loot of the loopholes that corporations take advantage of. 26 major corporations last year paid no federal income tax at all. so that nonsense has to be done away with. but substantively, many economists think it is a good idea to lower the corporate tax rate. politically, i think it further hems the republicans in. i think it gives obama even higher political ground than he has now. he already has political high ground. he already has a strong position. he may not even have to do this politically. but i think that this would se
you said he should propose lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 30%. what's your rationale behind that? >> well i have rationales both substantive and political. substantive, i think it is the right thing to do. i've spoken to a lot of economists about this over the years. even many liberal economists would agree that the corporate tax rate of 35% in this country is too high. it is higher than in most other -- i think every other advanced country. now it has to be done, obviously,...
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all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take that deal, but let's pass the tax cuts for the middle class and we're talking about making sure that tax rates for 98% of all americans and 97% of all businesses. it's a small percentage of individuals that make more than $250,000 a year that tax rates would go up just a little bit. we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reduci
all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take...
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, just not the tax rate. the president said no and came back and moved the goal posts and wants 1.6 trillion. >> it's like lucy pulling away the football from charlie brown. the president is now asking for twice the amount of increase in taxes that he campaigned on. really, the proposal that tim geithner brought to capitol hill is one that i believe the democrats one-point even support if put to a voight. the increase in taxes in over $200,000 of income, the incredible increase in change to the death tax, wanting to have a new credit card with no credit limit to the president so he can additionally just borrow and spend and tax? you go through all of these things. it really never deals with the fumblefundamental problem in our country which is the spending. our problem is not that we're taxed too little, we just continue to spend too much. >> he is asking that the debt ceiling that he has sole control over and how much the debt ceiling can be raised without having to get permission from capitol hill. i mean,
, just not the tax rate. the president said no and came back and moved the goal posts and wants 1.6 trillion. >> it's like lucy pulling away the football from charlie brown. the president is now asking for twice the amount of increase in taxes that he campaigned on. really, the proposal that tim geithner brought to capitol hill is one that i believe the democrats one-point even support if put to a voight. the increase in taxes in over $200,000 of income, the incredible increase in change...
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generate revenues by creating new tax payers, not new taxes. [applause] rapid economic growth is the only way to generate the kind of money we need to bring this debt under control. tax increases do not create new taxpayers. they do not great rapid economic growth. regulation is necessary to protest at -- to protect our environment and keep our food safe. but regulations cost money to follow. the more expensive a regulation, the less money a business has to give raises or hire new people. we need to have a balanced approach to regulation. we need to weigh the benefit of any given regulation against the impact it will have on job creation. that is why we should implement something like senator paul's act, so that congress that's the final say on it. -- gets the final say on it. [applause] getting control of our debt. it is critically important. it is not enough. we need to do more. we should expand our domestic energy industry. american innovation has given us access to massive new deposits of oil and natural gas, making america one of the most
generate revenues by creating new tax payers, not new taxes. [applause] rapid economic growth is the only way to generate the kind of money we need to bring this debt under control. tax increases do not create new taxpayers. they do not great rapid economic growth. regulation is necessary to protest at -- to protect our environment and keep our food safe. but regulations cost money to follow. the more expensive a regulation, the less money a business has to give raises or hire new people. we...
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nobody gets tax relief. we republicans will hang out right for that 2%. >> let's talk about the president's position on this. times done changed is perhaps an understatement. my paraphrase of your words. the president in a "new york times" piece today calls attention to the way the president was talking about putting revenue on the table in 2011 versus 2012. he was talking about ending deductions and closing loopholes as a primary way to get revenue on the table which is a different position than he has now. play that sound for everybody so they can remember. sorry. it's a full screen. i will read the quotation. what we said was give us $1.2 trillion in additional revenues which could be accomplished without hiking tax rates but simply accomplished by eliminating loopholes, some deductions and engaging in a tax reform process to lower rates generally while broadening the base. that is different from where the president is at now. is there currency to the republican argument that the president has moved the g
nobody gets tax relief. we republicans will hang out right for that 2%. >> let's talk about the president's position on this. times done changed is perhaps an understatement. my paraphrase of your words. the president in a "new york times" piece today calls attention to the way the president was talking about putting revenue on the table in 2011 versus 2012. he was talking about ending deductions and closing loopholes as a primary way to get revenue on the table which is a...
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you give a 15% flat tax on income taxed, capital gains, gift tax, to put it across the board and then you will see everybody pay the same rate if you make more you pay more. if you make less, you pay less. the speaker and others keep talking about how we are going after the rich. i will never be there, don't care about defending the rich, want to send a system that lets everybody have that chance. england tried this in 2009, they put a hefty pay income tax on people making more than a million dollars per year. the next year they went to 6000 people. and you lose money com, you dont gain revenue. what happens to the middle class? middle class has to suck up even more tax because you are so stupid in your tax policy you actually thought she would tax rich people, but they move. the middle class cannot move. you have a deduction for one home mortgage interest deduction and for charitable deductions. our party has put charitable deduction restrictions on the table. let me tell you come that would kill charities which plays right into this administration. they want the government to be the
you give a 15% flat tax on income taxed, capital gains, gift tax, to put it across the board and then you will see everybody pay the same rate if you make more you pay more. if you make less, you pay less. the speaker and others keep talking about how we are going after the rich. i will never be there, don't care about defending the rich, want to send a system that lets everybody have that chance. england tried this in 2009, they put a hefty pay income tax on people making more than a million...
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a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the sameç people pay moref their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax increases next year. >> so, john boehner, the speaker for the republican party in
a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess...
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the gop wants the bush era tax cuts extended for everybody and is instead offering to close tax loopholes and limit deductions. >> the revenues we're putting on
the gop wants the bush era tax cuts extended for everybody and is instead offering to close tax loopholes and limit deductions. >> the revenues we're putting on
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we don't think their taxes should go up. to me since that's a point of agreement and doesn't affect either side's negotiating position on the other issues we ought to remove it from the table. make sure most americans don't have to worry about their taxes going up. having said that, again, i think the speaker's right on in terms of the proposal he's put out there. most importantly, he couples it with something the president doesn't, which is really significant spending cuts and entitlepment reform. but if we solve the tax problem for 98 ps% of the american people, continue to fight for the other 2%, to not raise rates, that seems to me we move closer it toward that spending and entitlement debate and i think that's something that the president and the democrats in general are trying to avoid. >> senator, tom coburn was on "morning joe" alongside you today and he has -- he's willing to make a deal that does involve the higher rates for the wealthy. why not go there? the president has made it clear it just is not enough money
we don't think their taxes should go up. to me since that's a point of agreement and doesn't affect either side's negotiating position on the other issues we ought to remove it from the table. make sure most americans don't have to worry about their taxes going up. having said that, again, i think the speaker's right on in terms of the proposal he's put out there. most importantly, he couples it with something the president doesn't, which is really significant spending cuts and entitlepment...
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make sure you talk to the tax attorney before you do so, so you don't get in trouble down the road. >> bob: good. greg, i am sure you have given out money. >> dana: is there something i'm missing? >> greg: no. miss manners is a 55-year-old fat guy named vick. if you loan money, do it exchange for services. i mean to my mother recently and she spends most of her time in my garage polishing the unicorns. she is there seven to eight hours a day in the garage. she enjoys it in the long run. hard soccer good. >> andrea: she must have borrowed a lot. expensive job. >> greg: it keeps her eating. >> bob: vu you deep pockets. you give money to relatives? >> andrea: says who? not as deep as you. the problem with the letter, the woman asked if she should offer to help in money is like matters of the heart. unless somebody asks, you don't offer to get involved in their problems because they might not necessarily want your help or they might not want you knowing. do you let your family and friends knowing you are having money problems? if you do, maybe it's good thing. they say don't come to vacat
make sure you talk to the tax attorney before you do so, so you don't get in trouble down the road. >> bob: good. greg, i am sure you have given out money. >> dana: is there something i'm missing? >> greg: no. miss manners is a 55-year-old fat guy named vick. if you loan money, do it exchange for services. i mean to my mother recently and she spends most of her time in my garage polishing the unicorns. she is there seven to eight hours a day in the garage. she enjoys it in the...
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. >> what i've suggested is let's put a down payment on taxes, let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. let's let those go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close. and it is possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> joining me here in washington are congressman tim walls, democrat from minnesota, and karen finney, the former dnc director and msnbc analyst. you introduced today in the house a discharge petition which is a way for normally the minority to try to get, to force a vote on something that the leadership doesn't want. this petition would basically bring to a vote in the house the bill that the senate passed, which is basically the president's version of the tax structure that he would like to see. what's happening with the discharge petition? >> we have 151 people signed on to it. i think we have momentum. >> how many signatures do you need? >> 218.
. >> what i've suggested is let's put a down payment on taxes, let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. let's let those go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close. and it is possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> joining me here in washington are...
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tax bill only changed the name of the tax i paid. i got little benefit from the rate ofin my opinion, the expand on tax has nothing to do with the action of indexing. it is the result of the conscious decision to hike the cost of tax reductions. >> the alternative minimum tax is 28%. if your tax rate was lowered to 25%. you still have to pay 28%. >> that is correct. for incomes between to london thousand dollars and $500,000, the effective tax rate is 35%. you hit the 35% rate and incomes fire lower than the income levels at which you would hit the 35% rate and regular tax. >> why do they call it a patch? >> it is a one time year by year patch to stop the broad expansion. you could ask why they call it a cliff. they have discussed this in terms of the patch. it is a year by year increase in the exemptions. the patches nothing but the increase in the a in the exemption to prevent tens of millions of people from being forced to fill up the return you have. the only thing i would add is the package, what makes this so critical in the fi
tax bill only changed the name of the tax i paid. i got little benefit from the rate ofin my opinion, the expand on tax has nothing to do with the action of indexing. it is the result of the conscious decision to hike the cost of tax reductions. >> the alternative minimum tax is 28%. if your tax rate was lowered to 25%. you still have to pay 28%. >> that is correct. for incomes between to london thousand dollars and $500,000, the effective tax rate is 35%. you hit the 35% rate and...
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that is 98% of the american people, getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. so my suggestion -- it was delivered, by the way, in private and leaked and put in public. but that's fine. i mean, it's certainly what i said. my suggestion was let's take the one area that we agree and take it off the table. >> and -- but just to be clear, though, you actually think -- because this is when i saw your comment what i was so curious about, just from a negotiating standpoint. we had the super committee that failed, now we have the fiscal cliff, right? and if those sorts of deadlines aren't enough to get a deal, if you actually were -- were going to break with your own party or say go ahead, we'll extend them for the middle class, do you actually think that you would be able to negotiate a deal where they didn't go up on the top 2% at the beginning of the year? >> you might be able to negotiate that deal. again, i think a lot of people misunderstand, you know, what's happening with the 98%. number one, i don't think you ever ought to use the american people as, quote, l
that is 98% of the american people, getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. so my suggestion -- it was delivered, by the way, in private and leaked and put in public. but that's fine. i mean, it's certainly what i said. my suggestion was let's take the one area that we agree and take it off the table. >> and -- but just to be clear, though, you actually think -- because this is when i saw your comment what i was so curious about, just from a negotiating...
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taxes will go up. democrats proposes a bill that cuts taxes on the middle class. the republicans don't dare vote it down. we'll have gotten the higher taxes on the wealthy through this back door route. tim geithner is right. you cannot have a seer imrus plan unless those tax rates on the wealthy go up. >> ifill: the president is... hassles proposedded something that john boehner calls silliness or secretary geithner actually did which is taking thed why of the debt ceiling off of congress' plate. something which members of congress seem to think at least is a no starter. what is the value in putting that out there? >> well again it needs to be said. this is crazy. the way that the debt ceiling works is that congress can actually vote to not tax enough to pay for the spending it proposes and then it can refuse to allow the government to borrow the money to make up the difference between its own spending bills and its own tax bills. this is crazy. this is a license for continual irresponsibility. and of course we're heading for... the republicans are attempting to d
taxes will go up. democrats proposes a bill that cuts taxes on the middle class. the republicans don't dare vote it down. we'll have gotten the higher taxes on the wealthy through this back door route. tim geithner is right. you cannot have a seer imrus plan unless those tax rates on the wealthy go up. >> ifill: the president is... hassles proposedded something that john boehner calls silliness or secretary geithner actually did which is taking thed why of the debt ceiling off of...
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started a hash tag, my 2 k which refers to the $2,000 the average middle class american will pay in taxes if a deal is not reached. >>> that's how he gets it done, like the rest of us, huh? >> doing it himself. >>> a health scare for a former child star. a stroke that landed frankie muneasy in the hospital. >>> did you know there's a black friday at your doctor's office? why the date of your appointment matters so much. >>> and new this afternoon, a big break in the case of a man pushed to his death on theew york subway. plus, the backlash against the photographer who captured the victim's final moments. >>> a young star in hollywood is recovering today from a stroke. frankie muneasy suffered what he called a mini stroke. the malcolm in the middle star said, he was in the hospital last week, that he needs to start better care of his body and that the whole thing made him feel old. he turns 27 today. >>> at the end of the year, most health care providers are trying to close their books. and many patients are trying to figure out how to spend the last of their health care dollars before dec
started a hash tag, my 2 k which refers to the $2,000 the average middle class american will pay in taxes if a deal is not reached. >>> that's how he gets it done, like the rest of us, huh? >> doing it himself. >>> a health scare for a former child star. a stroke that landed frankie muneasy in the hospital. >>> did you know there's a black friday at your doctor's office? why the date of your appointment matters so much. >>> and new this afternoon, a big...
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on another tax problem, tax fund, yes cut through all the jews rate against -- [inaudible] but surely it needs to be more robust. if it is going to be a meaningful priority, let's say to coordinate against corporate tax conjuring, surely has to start a reason to think the controls -- that he made in the last budget. >> first of all can i thank him for the support he has given for the decision to provide ultrafast broadband, and i want to congratulate the city for a very, very good did which competed against other bids across the uk. he's also right to say that we are helping the northern islands energy sector with decisions on the carbon price which i detest a semi-statement to announce but are in the book. am glad he acknowledges those. any more broadly what i would say to him is northern ireland will benefit, the rest of uk will benefit when we help people and work hard and want to get on with doing that with personal allowance, when we help people who are small businesses with fuel duty, we're doing all these things making sure they are outlined to the northern ireland's. >> with i
on another tax problem, tax fund, yes cut through all the jews rate against -- [inaudible] but surely it needs to be more robust. if it is going to be a meaningful priority, let's say to coordinate against corporate tax conjuring, surely has to start a reason to think the controls -- that he made in the last budget. >> first of all can i thank him for the support he has given for the decision to provide ultrafast broadband, and i want to congratulate the city for a very, very good did...
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the conservative action networks in this alert supporters sang card rep tell your representative tax hikes are not part of the solution. the e-mail included a not so subtle threat saying this infamous pledge cost george h. w. bush reelection. >> read my lips. >> aware of the potential blow back that could imperil his leadership john boehner careful to include in other proposal leaders. including paul ryan who spent months on the campaign trail ordinance against tax increases. >> we will cut tax rates for small businesses and work with the family. >> house gop sources tell cnn they hope conservative black less is proof that we try to compromise. >> the house republican leadership is trying to move the process forward. frankly i had hoped we would be accomplishing more in the real talks that are going on privately. i can tell you being aware of those there is nothing going on privately that is going on publicly. >> off and other nationals former president george w. bush is making a new appeal for immigration reform mr. bush had pushed for an overhaul of the nation's immigration laws du
the conservative action networks in this alert supporters sang card rep tell your representative tax hikes are not part of the solution. the e-mail included a not so subtle threat saying this infamous pledge cost george h. w. bush reelection. >> read my lips. >> aware of the potential blow back that could imperil his leadership john boehner careful to include in other proposal leaders. including paul ryan who spent months on the campaign trail ordinance against tax increases....
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they just switch taxes. the capital gains rate in the amt is higher than the regular tax rate from and comes around $22,500,000. that was the first product spanish and they began to hit an awful lot of people. then in 2001, they reduce regular tax, but did not reduce the rate. for millions of people and i'm one of those, the 2001 tax bill only changed the name of the tax i paid. i got very little benefit in rate reduction because i was sure it over to the minimum tax. in my opinion, the expansion of the minimum tax is nothing to do with the absence of index. it is a result of the conscious decision in 2001 to hide the cost of the bush tax cut by leaving the area she peered >> host: said the alternative minimum tax is 20%. what you are saying this after 2001 if your tax rate was lowered to 25% or something come you still have to pay the amt, which is 20%. >> guest: that's correct. but you're wrong for incomes between $200,000.500000, the amt effective tax rate was $500,000. you hit the rate that incomes are l
they just switch taxes. the capital gains rate in the amt is higher than the regular tax rate from and comes around $22,500,000. that was the first product spanish and they began to hit an awful lot of people. then in 2001, they reduce regular tax, but did not reduce the rate. for millions of people and i'm one of those, the 2001 tax bill only changed the name of the tax i paid. i got very little benefit in rate reduction because i was sure it over to the minimum tax. in my opinion, the...
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and he's raised tax rates and he was elected based on his tax the rich policy. he says that america is poised to take off and if it doesn't, it's the republicans fault. listen. >> you have the u.s. chamber of commerce hardly an arm of my administration or the democratic party. i think, said the other day, we can't be going through another debt crisis, a debt ceiling crisis like we did in 2011. that has to be dealt with. so, i think businesses are going to be ready to hire. we're seeing pretty strong consumer confidence despite weaknesses in europe and even in asia. i think america is poised to take off. stuart: well, the republicans are set to respond today when speaker boehner goes in front of the cameras. will he show signs of retreat or any sign of compromise? remember, the president wants higher tax rates. will john boehner try to move the line that the president has drawn? we will have it for you live here on "varney & company" starting around ten o'clock eastern. then we have darden restaurants, the parent of olive garden, red lobster. it says its business
and he's raised tax rates and he was elected based on his tax the rich policy. he says that america is poised to take off and if it doesn't, it's the republicans fault. listen. >> you have the u.s. chamber of commerce hardly an arm of my administration or the democratic party. i think, said the other day, we can't be going through another debt crisis, a debt ceiling crisis like we did in 2011. that has to be dealt with. so, i think businesses are going to be ready to hire. we're seeing...
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she filed a petition to vote on a bill in the house to raise tax rates on upper income americans. it's a bill already passed in the senate but house speaker john boehner who doesn't want to bring it to a vote. nancy pelosi is trying to push him to make it happen. we'll bring you more details throughout the morning. >>> it was a shocking story. a man pushed to his death at a new york city subway station. the reason a newspaper is under fire because of that incident. >> we're live in palo alto women are being targeted in early morning attacks. we'll tell you why police think the incidents are related. >>> here's a look at san mateo bridge. you can see the rain is finally hit down here. we'll have more wet spots on your roadways coming up. you disgust me. prove it. enough is enough. d-con no view, no touch trap snaps to kill instantly. no looking, no touching. d-con. get out. [ girl's voice ] we're gonna have lunch together. what're you having? oh, well, i only have this one, so... that'll do, i'll split it with sally. yea, we'll just share it. [ male announcer ] get your own subway
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we should do real tax reform. if there are loopholes, there is a loophole for being able to write off your yacht as a second home. let's go after that. we need more revenue and the way you do that is through rapid economic growth. it's the only way to generate the kind of revenue you need and hold it. >> what's the only way you would raise tax rates on the top 2%? >> the number one issue is to grow the economy and creating jobs. i believe that proposal will hurt job creation. the tru millionaires, they have the best accountants and lawyers in america. do whatever you want, they are go to go maximize it. the people who get crushed, the small s corporation who can't afford to do this in the tax code and ends up getting creamed. they have to get the money from somewhere. though can lay off workers, and none of those things are good for our economy. it's about growth. this stuff hurts growth. the president has a tax increase that will help grow the economy. i'm interested to hear about it. >> you would vote against th
we should do real tax reform. if there are loopholes, there is a loophole for being able to write off your yacht as a second home. let's go after that. we need more revenue and the way you do that is through rapid economic growth. it's the only way to generate the kind of revenue you need and hold it. >> what's the only way you would raise tax rates on the top 2%? >> the number one issue is to grow the economy and creating jobs. i believe that proposal will hurt job creation. the...